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My Little Piece of the MSNBC/Newsvine Thanksgiving Pie, and How You Can Get a Slice Too

Fig. 1.1: The MSNBC.com Music main page.

Fig. 1.2: A sample article footer.

Fig. 1.3: A graph of my traffic.

Fig. 1.4: A shameless plug.

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This is a brief story about my little piece of the MSNBC/Newsvine pie. I normally don't like to write about myself – first, because let's face it: anyone who's paying attention already knows how great I am, and second, because it seems too... well, a little too Ani. I spent quite a bit of time trying to decide whether to write about this at all, but in the end I decided that it might benefit the community (or something), so here it is. See what you think.


What Happened

On Sunday afternoon, I published a short satirical rant criticizing Ani DiFranco (link above) for the new Listen In music group. It didn't take long to write, and I didn't think much of it. It went "popular" that day, with double-digit votes and comments. It was mostly received positively by members of the Newsvine community and in the silly, humorous spirit with which it was written. On Monday, it got a few more votes and comments – nothing too out of the ordinary. According to my Google Analytics stats it garnered about 180 pageviews – pretty good for a screwoff weekend piece of writing.

Then a strange thing happened. On Tuesday, a bunch of random new Viners started showing up, having signed up specifically to comment on my piece. Some of them sorta let me have it, but fair's fair. In fact, one of them suggested that I write a fascinating article about myself, so barry21: this one's for you. Thanks for being a good sport.

Anyway, I thought all this was a bit odd, so I asked where all these new people were coming from. They said, "MSNBC." I also thought this was odd, because the article had been published a few days ago and wasn't featured anywhere on the MSNBC community page, where the new Newsvine module is prominently featured.

So I did a bit more digging with the help of one Eric Atienza, and pointed in the right direction by some helpful MSNBC.com readers. Lo and behold, Eric turned up a link pointing directly to my article from MSNBC's "Other top music stories" section on the main Music page (see fig. 1.1) and at the bottom of every article in the Music section in a box reading "More from music" (see fig. 1.2). This, of course, was all very exciting, and I eagerly awaited new Google Analytics stats.

This morning, I woke up and checked my Analytics numbers over a cup of coffee. The pageview count for the article had jumped an order of magnitude: from about 180 hits to about 1,800. This was a huge spike in my numbers, obviously (see fig. 1.3) – I've never been a particularly prominent contributor, after all. And as of the publication of this article, the link is still featured on MSNBC.com.


Why it Happened

Obviously, this is part of MSNBC's continuing efforts to integrate Newsvine into its offerings. Why did they choose my silly little throwaway bit of satire? Here are my working hypotheses:

  1. I am officially the best writer in the known universe. A letter is currently en-route to my house, offering fame and fortune in exchange for thoughtless, irresponsible hit pieces on popular musicians (this is the leading candidate in my mind).
  2. They were seriously hurting for music-related content, and somebody dredged up my work and just went with it because they didn't want to stay late at the office.
  3. It was selected by the mysterious workings of some algorithm, producing a result akin to Ohio State's spot atop the BCS rankings earlier this year despite playing the 70th-hardest schedule in the NCAA (gratuitous cheap shot – yea!).

Seriously, though, I have no idea why this happened. There were several actually-significant, well-written music pieces floating around at the time - not to mention the work of actual real-world significance that's produced here every day.

However, for the record I will give my backup kidney to any Newsvine staff member who is able to tell me why it was selected and how to reproduce the phenomenon.


Why This is Important to You, the 'Viner

This is probably already obvious, but let me state it for the record:

MSNBC.com is starting to pick up our work and integrate it into their site, and the result is potentially a huge boost in traffic for any piece so blessed by the powers that be and/or their shadowy algorithms. I wasn't able to turn up any other such links anywhere else on the site, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

We really are getting a lot more exposure from our new corporate overlords. Doubters, take note: this might just be working after all.

EDIT:

I'm not quite sure how I managed to leave this out, but here it is: The true point of all this is that we have an opportunity to really get our ideas out there, beyond the (sometimes insular) world of Newsvine.

So, use this as impetus to make every article you write, every link you seed, and every comment you make that much better. All of a sudden, we're on a much bigger stage. Think about that as you contribute, and let's all try to raise our game a little bit more.

Thanks to everyone who's here for making this place what it is - and what it isn't.


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So, is anyone else enjoying a piece of pie? Any other success stories to share?

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  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:28 PM EST
{"commentId":1206504,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Great job, Evan.

It's nice to see some of the fun stuff getting picked up, not only because it's right up my alley, but because I think people scoff at it, and it's not as easy to write as some people think.

I guess I'll have to stop leaving sexual innuendo in my headlines.

:)

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  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1206516,"authorDomain":"emix"}
I guess I'll have to stop leaving sexual innuendo in my headlines.

Now that's what I call selling out.

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  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:50 PM EST
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{"commentId":1206499,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Hurrah! Congrats, Evan. That's fantastic. Clearly you need to capitalilze on your success with more "What's the big deal" stories...

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  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1206522,"authorDomain":"emix"}

At this point, I'm just trying to figure out who to hit up next. So many options...

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  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:52 PM EST
{"commentId":1206598,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I suggest:

"What's the Big Deal with MSNBC?"

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  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:30 PM EST
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{"commentId":1206514,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}

Evan! That's fantastic. Keep it up.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1206525,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Thanks Viki. I've been meaning to send you an email giving you props for how you handled the recent unpleasantness with that douchetard "marketer" or whatever he called himself. Good stuff, that.

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  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:54 PM EST
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{"commentId":1206529,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

I wasn't going to tell this because I didn't want others to feel left out. I am having Thanksgiving dinner on staffers from MSNBC.com. I had been asked to write an article for the grand opening and was told I would get a Tshirt for my efforts. Well.... two days ago a UPS truck stopped at my RV. I received a rather large mystery package. On opening I found no T shirt but I did find an MSNBC.com coffee cup and baseball cap. It also contained my Thanksgiving dinner. Smoked salmon, mustard dip and cheese dip, dipping pretzels, dipping crackers, Key Lime cookies, summer sausage and cheese crackers. Wow! There was a card that said, "From Your Fans at MSNBC.com"

Flabbergasted! Fabulous! Ego Wego! I couldn't be higher if I were on Pike's Peak.

Evan Mix, thanks for providing me this opportunity to brag. And thank you for being here.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:58 PM EST
{"commentId":1206547,"authorDomain":"emix"}
thank you for being here.

Ditto, oldfogey. Happy Thanksgiving! The care package sounds amazing. Myself, I am too far from home to travel back for the holiday, so I'll be attempting to cook a turkey for the first time ever. Should be disastrous! :-)

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  • 9 votes
#4.1 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:03 PM EST
{"commentId":1212209,"authorDomain":"Infohack"}

oldfogey, that's great. I guess that answers the question of wheter MSNBC considers Newsvine to be more than just window dressing. Very encouraging.

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  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1212265,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

Whoa nice surprise oldfogey ! Congratulations for keeping us remembered up there at the top.

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  • 5 votes
#4.3 - Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:50 PM EST
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{"commentId":1206578,"authorDomain":"Kiser"}

Congrats, Evan this is exciting news!

Currently, now that they are slowly starting to implement Newsvine into the site, I suspect this will happen much more often.

Imagine the page views if they start including Newsvine in their search results!

Great job.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:15 PM EST
{"commentId":1207277,"authorDomain":"emix"}
now that they are slowly starting to implement Newsvine into the site, I suspect this will happen much more often.

I expect the same, Brandon. I'm thinking that maybe more targeted Newsvine modules - things that don't just include the top seeds and articles - will begin appearing on different pages of the MSNBC site. One of the great things about this is that their site is broken down so much more that it would allow, say, a Music module, or a Sports module.

In any case, it's an exciting development for us all. I just hope they start selecting some of the more important stuff going on here. The real power of this whole citizen journalism/MSM Frankenstein's Monster was supposed to be the exposure it would grant to under-covered topics. Granted, Ani DiFranco isn't exactly front-page news these days, but jeez.

I tend to think that what happened with my article was sort of a test-tube case, and that a low-risk, relatively insignificant topic was chosen just to see how it would work.

Of course, that's assuming that this is actually the first time, and that I'm not just the first 'Viner self-absorbed enough to report on it...

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  • 7 votes
#5.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:15 AM EST
{"commentId":1207355,"authorDomain":"Kiser"}

I've been scouring MSNBC.com a lot lately, and this is the first instance I've found other than the Newsvine module in the community section.

So, unless I missed one, congratulation on being the first.

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  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:49 AM EST
{"commentId":1207402,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Yea! I'm the canary in the coalmine! Woo!!!

Wait... that's a good thing, right? Right???

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  • 6 votes
#5.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:08 AM EST
{"commentId":1208668,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}

In this case, most definitely!

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  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:57 PM EST
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{"commentId":1206589,"authorDomain":"davidmcgirr"}

I for one welcome our new alien overlords.
*spot the reference*

-Dave

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  • 10 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:23 PM EST
{"commentId":1207922,"authorDomain":"kyleb"}

I voted for Kodos.

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  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:19 PM EST
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{"commentId":1206624,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

Congratulations, Evan. Keep up the good work.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:51 PM EST
{"commentId":1206709,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

You?.. but,.. her... Ami?... You?..

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  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1206868,"authorDomain":"aalva"}

Job well done Evan!

Happy Thanksgiving!!

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  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:47 AM EST
{"commentId":1206943,"authorDomain":"kyleb"}

Thats really cool to hear Evan! Congratulations!

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  • 4 votes
Reply#10 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:56 AM EST
{"commentId":1207340,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

Thanks for the interesting information, Evan.

I am glad to hear your piece did so well.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#11 - Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:41 AM EST
{"commentId":1209094,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Good for you. Awesome to see you get that bounce, now keep poking at the how of it so we know what to emulate!

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  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:31 AM EST
{"commentId":1209398,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Thanks Pamela. I actually do feel a little embarrassed that this got picked instead of one of your Monsanto pieces or something actually important like that. In any case, I do plan to keep experimenting to figure out how this works, so if I figure anything out I'll be sure to let everyone know.

After all, there are things that actually need to get exposure, eh?

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  • 2 votes
#12.1 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:30 AM EST
{"commentId":1209414,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I don't think you should be embarrassed, but I agree that other content should (and probably will) be featured as well.

It's much easier for them to drop in an opinion piece like this (fact checking isn't really an issue) and it slides into their existing "entertainment" news much easier.

Plus, I believe we're going to get more "sticky" users from pieces like this: I've always argued that the soft-news is our bread and butter. It's the bait that makes users feel comfortable. Most of our funny, civil, community building discussions happen around soft-news.

Then, if we're lucky -- a fraction of those users will also have something serious to stay, and they'll like Newsvine well enough to stick around and say it. In my view, those users will take themselves less seriously than some of the people who come in with nothing but political discussion on their minds and, as a result, the dialogue will be more productive.

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  • 4 votes
#12.2 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:43 AM EST
{"commentId":1209421,"authorDomain":"emix"}

That's a good point. I think you're right.

take themselves less seriously

That always seems to be helpful.

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  • 2 votes
#12.3 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:46 AM EST
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{"commentId":1209231,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Crap, nothing yet. Got a bounce on the 21st, but they all came from.... images.google.ca? If it were Cash, it would be one thing. But me?

Anyway, congrats! Next, our fantasy basketball league will become famous ;-)

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  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:45 AM EST
{"commentId":1209404,"authorDomain":"emix"}
Next, our fantasy basketball league will become famous

Oh man - before that happens, I'd better figure out how the hell to get my team together consistently. Though, for the record, my fantasy NBA stuff is placing well in Google.

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  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:34 AM EST
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{"commentId":1210329,"authorDomain":"ririaroo"}

This happened to me as well, I had over 300 page views on one article that was four or five days old. I wracked my brain, trying to figure out what the hell was going on, came up with nothing.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:23 PM EST
{"commentId":1210350,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Nice! Which article? Were you ever able to find the actual source of the traffic?

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  • 2 votes
#14.1 - Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:36 PM EST
{"commentId":1210901,"authorDomain":"ririaroo"}

This one

It seems that I didn't wrack my brain hard enough to actually look at the traffic sources, most of the traffic came from stumbleupon.com.

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  • 4 votes
#14.2 - Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:25 AM EST
{"commentId":1210911,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Very cool. I've been getting some stuff from Digg and from totalfark.com, whatever that is.

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  • 3 votes
#14.3 - Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:31 AM EST
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{"commentId":1212218,"authorDomain":"Infohack"}

Congrats, Evan. Well-deserved.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#15 - Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:34 PM EST
{"commentId":1212251,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Thanks. :-)

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  • 3 votes
#15.1 - Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:46 PM EST
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{"commentId":1217349,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Update:

MSNBC stopped linking to the article today, after having the link up for a week. I netted about 3,000 hits from them in all (plus or minus, depending on today's traffic). Thanks to whoever is responsible.

I wrote a follow-up piece about U2, experimenting a little with different aspects of the formula. It didn't get picked up.

I suspect I might've used the word "balls" a bit too much for their comfort...

Exploration of this issue is ongoing.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:42 PM EST
{"commentId":1217716,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Another update:

The MSNBC Music page now features a link to ScooterDMan's excellent review of the new Radiohead album.

Good stuff, Scooter, and keep 'em coming, 'Viners!

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  • 2 votes
#16.1 - Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:39 PM EST
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{"commentId":1217359,"authorDomain":"acm"}

Hang on to that kidney. I may need it someday. Better yet, keep it yourself. It's not as useful as Woody Allen's second favorite organ (Sleeper, 1973), but still worth keeping.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#17 - Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:46 PM EST
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