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Diggin' The Crates: The Reissue Question

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Reissues are always controversial in vinyl-collecting circles. The true purist never buys reissued records (or such is the rhetoric). But of course, unless you've got a nearly unlimited budget, there are some records you simply won't be able to own without compromising your principles a little. So, where do you draw the line?

The Brand-New Reissue

When I first started making a serious effort to collect vinyl - about six years ago, when I was 18 - I happened across this Sun Ra LP [Fig. 1] for $10. I knew enough to know that this is a relatively obscure LP that is very difficult indeed to find, but I didn't know that such records were available as reissues. I quickly put two and two together, but I bought the record anyway - it's a classic.

I didn't think any more of it until I showed the record to a friend, who's very much a purist. He scoffed - he'd never buy a reissue, much less a brand new, sealed reissue like the one I had. For some reason, the new, sealed reissue is at the bottom of the totem pole. Let it get beat up and scratched a little, sell it for half the price, and it's suddenly OK. Don't ask me why.

Anyway, I was crushed. For months, I avoided sealed reissues like the plague, though I still bought used reissues from the 70s and 80s. Every time I came across a sealed reissue, I thought about this exchange. Eventually I came to the conclusion that it made very little sense. I was limiting the scope of my music library for no reason. So, I began buying sealed reissues in certain cases.

When to Buy Reissues

Each collector has slightly different rules on this matter. Here are mine:

  1. Buy reissues when nothing else is available: Sometimes, there may be a record you really, really want. Unfortunately, a used (or better yet original) copy of that record may simply be impossible to find at any price. I've never seen a non-sealed copy of Dorothy Ashby's Hip Harp [Fig. 2] anywhere, online or otherwise. In this case, I'll go ahead and buy a sealed reissue.
  2. Buy reissues when your budget demands it: When I lived in San Diego, I used to make regular trips to LA to visit Amoeba Records. They had a copy of an early Rahsaan Roland Kirk LP framed on the wall, priced at $1000. Realistically, I'm never going to spend this much on a record - so if I want that record, I'll need to buy a reissue.

The bottom line is that I try not to buy reissues when an original isn't totally out of my price range. Part of the mystique of the LP is its individual history: if you buy a used record, you can think about all the hands it passed through to get to you. I'll pay a little more for that special feeling.

You'll often find a used reissue from 10 or 20 years ago, or whatever, that's less than a new, sealed reissue. I always buy these if I can't afford the original. I'm more interested in the mystique of the used record than I am in the shiny new cover of a sealed copy.

UPDATE

Two more important considerations (thanks Dennis):

  1. Some newer records are pressed from cheaper, lighter-weight polystyrene instead of actual polyvinyl chloride (the real stuff). The sound you'll get from polystyrene pressings is inferior to that from true vinyl, though it's still better than digital. If you are buying newer records, look for heavy-duty 180 gram pressings - they're probably safe.
  2. Many reissues are digitally remastered. Look for the acronym "AAD" (analog-analog-digital) - many reissues, particularly from larger labels, will have this SPARS code on them. Digital mastering does affect the sound of a recording. Essentially, an AAD record combines all the worst characteristics of vinyl and compact disc into one fragile, unwieldy package.

Of course, sometimes you'll find a drastically undervalued original in a thrift store and get your hands on a real gem that you couldn't afford otherwise. So, do your homework, and keep on digging!

Cross-posted from ListenInMusic.com.

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{"commentId":1490096,"authorDomain":"emix"}

I think next week I'll be talking about my unseemly love for the Blue Note label. We'll see.

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Reply#1 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:02 PM EST
{"commentId":1490219,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

So how do you tell a reissue from the first pressing?

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Reply#2 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1490327,"authorDomain":"emix"}

Sometimes, that's tricky.

A record will always have a serial number engraved on it (typically somewhere in the vinyl near the label), and you can usually look this up in a book or an online database. Discogs.com is a good resource for this, but isn't exhaustive by any means.

Sometimes a reissue will have the date of reissue printed on the jacket and/or the record, and other times it won't. Sometimes the album art on a reissue is different from that on the original. Price is frequently an indicator, if you know something about the history of the record. So is condition: if it's a record that was released in 1965 and you're looking at a shrink-wrapped copy in perfect shape, it's a reissue.

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    #2.1 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:59 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1490303,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

    I tend to not care about first pressings vs. re-releases at all. I do like the feel of old record jackets, but as long as the record is in good shape I don't really care how new or old it is. Used records are cheaper, but if I come across a new one that I can afford I won't hold out for a used one.

    I like how records sound, and that's why I buy them. I'm not a collector, really. I also never leave toys in their original packaging.

    The only thing that gives me pause are re-releases. I might buy them, but if I later come upon the original release if I like the record enough I'd by that too since on a lot of re-releases the songs are remastered and/or come with additional tracks. If I like a record enough I will put a premium on having an original version of it. If that makes sense.

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    Reply#3 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:53 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490339,"authorDomain":"emix"}
    Used records are cheaper

    Not always.

    But yeah, we're basically in the same boat on this stuff. The main point is to get a copy of the music that sounds really good. Extra tracks on a reissue are nice too, sometimes. And of course, there's nothing wrong with having more than one copy of the same record.

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    #3.1 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:02 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1490759,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    A couple of big reasons.

    First, the vinyl itself. An older album, like the Sun Ra disc above, would originally be released on polyvinyl chloride, that is, real vinyl. Reissues, on the other hand, are probably going to be polystyrene. Though polystyrene still gives you a sound that is superior to CD, it's doesn't hold a candle to PVC.

    Second, the remastering process. Somewhere in the small print of the liner notes, on almost all reissues, you'll find AAD. Analog to analog to digital. So what you're actually getting is digital sound pressed on a record - you might as well buy the CD, unless the coverart and liner notes are enough for you to justify the purchase.

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    Reply#4 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:54 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490796,"authorDomain":"emix"}

    Good points.

    One caveat, though: a lot of reissues these days - the sort I buy, anyway - are being pressed on 180 gram vinyl, which I'm almost certain (please correct me if I'm wrong) is real vinyl.

    Also, the remastering thing: I think this depends on the label. I'm looking at a reissue of Wayne Shorter's The All Seeing Eye right now (Blue Note) from 1994 that doesn't say AAD. Same goes for a few other reissues I've just looked at.

    You're a real audiophile, eh Dennis? I never knew. Good on ya.

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    #4.1 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:05 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490820,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
    a lot of reissues these days - the sort I buy, anyway - are being pressed on 180 gram vinyl, which I'm almost certain (please correct me if I'm wrong) is real vinyl.

    Cool. There are some independents and artist-owned labels who never stopped using real vinyl - Zappa's Barking Pumpkin comes to mind, but they are in the minority. Most of the vinyl you'll run across... well, isn't.

    Go grab a disc from the 50's and you'll see a huge difference right away. If you were to hit someone over the head with one of those things you'd probably kill them.

    You're a real audiophile, eh Dennis? I never knew. Good on ya.

    Oh yeah, bigtime. But hell, even I ended up going with the flow when it cames to CDs. I resisted it for a long, long time, but there was just too much music I couldn't get in any other format, so I eventually gave in. Still, vinyl wherever possible, CD otherwise. I've never bought a (pre-recorded) tape, and I'll never own any kind of MP3 player.

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    #4.2 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:12 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490842,"authorDomain":"emix"}
    Go grab a disc from the 50's and you'll see a huge difference right away.

    Absolutely. They're heavy and rigid - they don't flop around like a polystyrene record. That's a big indicator.

    If you were to hit someone over the head with one of those things you'd probably kill them.

    Assuming you could pick it up, even. Must've been a hell of a job lugging all those records to Turkey!

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    #4.3 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490856,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    Unfortunately the vinyl is still in the States.

    Aaaargh.

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    #4.4 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:21 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490867,"authorDomain":"emix"}

    Ack! Priorities, man!

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    #4.5 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:26 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490889,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    Lack of funds, unfortunately.

    Shipping is expensive to this part of the world.

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    #4.6 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:32 PM EST
    {"commentId":1490943,"authorDomain":"emix"}

    I shouldn't talk: I just moved across the U.S. and had to leave behind a couple crates myself.

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    #4.7 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:44 PM EST
    {"commentId":1493221,"authorDomain":"emix"}

    Hey Dennis, just a quick heads-up: I updated the article with your two points (with attribution, of course). Thanks!

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    #4.8 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:16 AM EST
    {"commentId":1493833,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

    Cool. Glad I could help.

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    #4.9 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:56 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1493752,"authorDomain":"captainmats"}

    Vinyl is so much fun to collect - the real fun comes in the hunt for a great used record. @of the best stores I have ever been to are Bills Records and Tapes in the Dallas area (my mind goes numb from all the shelves after shelves of records in there) and Love Garden Music in Lawrence, KS. I have a small collections - mostly Bealtes that my Dad had and passed on and the rest from Artists that still issue on vinyl for collectors (yeah Wilco!!!!!)

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    Reply#5 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":1496583,"authorDomain":"MarxistMonkey"}

    Love Garden is a great store. The folks who work there are (mostly) friendly and knowledgable. Plus the supply of used vinyl is consistently strong, drawing, I bet, from continually retiring KU faculty!

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    #5.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:31 AM EST
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